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Post by miura74 on Jul 17, 2017 12:12:29 GMT -6
OK, so I went back to PC gaming just to be able to make my own map again for FS. Sure, it seats me in the "crazy" but not "stupid" area, lol. Anyway, with talk of making a real challenging map for cr41g, I thought I'd share my work and progress on Salling farm. A fictitious map using Sosnovka as a base map for the design and build. I've wanted this map to be possible on consoles too, so I've kept virtually everything GIANTS based with no extra scripting. I've also spent a crazy amount of timing trying to make sure the map is optimised for performance. Draw distances and amount of objects have been considered a lot during the build. So it may seem "empty" to some people. Running on my rig, even with lots of equipment (see the last screenshot) I still get a virtually solid 60 fps. And that's even with some laggy PC mods. I've made two versions currently, the first is compatible with Seasons mod on PC and the other is just normal build. The map is in the style of Sosnovka, wide open spaces, easy to work fields, and mostly flat terrain. Fields of most sizes, plenty of small, medium and a few large, but not very large fields. Still large enough for a Big bud though on those. The map features all animals, 2 large forestry areas, one smaller forestry area, a few cleared areas ready for placeables, plenty of grass fields for silage, Sosnovka sell points, Stanton sawmill imported from GCV, a special "cargo" area for those who like trucks and loading pallets, and some small pointless parts like a bridge through the terrain. I've removed the trains completely, as most of the GIANTS assets were fairly limiting for placement. To keep compatibility to consoles, I decided to drop the trains for now. (Sorry the images don't appear for some reason, a problem with Google?) Album: photos.app.goo.gl/y18WIZ6ryn4kC6bw2 I still need to finish the PDA map preview and also place correctly a number of the icons in the PDA. EDIT: Made the pictures links, they don't appear as inserted images for some reason. Edit by JohnDeere318: Fixed pictures.
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Post by cr41g on Jul 17, 2017 13:32:13 GMT -6
OH....MY....GAWD..... I think I just peed a little... Damn miura... that is just awesome looking... love the main farm area... there isn't a whole lot of structures and looks like a good mix of fields in the distance.... and with everything you mentioned it sure sounds a winner. Field shapes will appeal to all those who enjoy hiring workers out, so there is something for everyone. Sosonovka was always my favourite previously...so an optimized improved edition is welcome... and I have seen other mention lately on the forum that it is their fav as well. What are you looking at giving for starting equipment. Are you going to make mention of this on the other forum... or just sit on it for now...?
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Post by JohnDeere318 on Jul 17, 2017 22:25:53 GMT -6
The real question is... Will there NOT be any starting equipment so that we have to work for other farmers? Will it gives that cutting edge challenge? LOL!
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Post by cr41g on Jul 18, 2017 5:59:48 GMT -6
hahaha...my thoughts exactly... a hard map for hardcore players...not money cheat users
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Post by canadafarms on Jul 18, 2017 6:08:01 GMT -6
This looks really good, I have a question though. I thought giants wouldn't allow edits of their maps and models on their mod hub?
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Post by cr41g on Jul 18, 2017 8:17:38 GMT -6
If you change enough of it.... are they going to know ?
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Post by canadafarms on Jul 18, 2017 12:18:09 GMT -6
Very true, probably if it looks nothing like Sosnovka it will be ok, I just know that it has been mentioned on the other forum before. I really couldn't tell you what can and can't be approved, my thinking is they don't want people to take their stuff, make a couple small changes then upload it and get paid for it......which kinda makes sense I guess.
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Post by miura74 on Jul 18, 2017 12:43:05 GMT -6
Thanks cr41g, glad you liked it. I might just sit on it for now, as it still needs some work on bits, like the PDA map. And during my playtest videos, I keep finding bits I need to fix, lol. So perhaps an exclusive to this forum right now. Quite a few areas need improving and polishing up. photos.app.goo.gl/y18WIZ6ryn4kC6bw2Here's a fairly recent performance test around the map: Biggest fps drop was looking towards the shop where all that equipment is standing, and I'm not sure about the fabric mod as that building has very high textures. NOTE: Unlisted video, please don't distribute, and no commentary. I'm not sure about GIANTS, but you're right about a Sosnovka edit map. But this map has been rebuilt, virtually all the fields have been moved and resized. There might be a couple still in place from Sosnovka. It's not really Sosnovka anymore. But I have used the buildings from GIANTS, and even Smokey mountain uses the GCV buildings. So I can't see that being a problem, as long as the map is solid for performance and something original. I've also seen other GCV based maps on modhub, but they are also original and not just edits. Guess only asking GIANTS could answer this though. Perhaps the "hook" or "something original" might be the rather challenging aspect? Just one of the fields next to the farm costs 600,000. All fields have been correctly recalculated, so the ha size should be correct. I'd go for little or no starter equipment. High loan with no chance to take more cash. Just one small starter field. Played on hard to reduce prices. Also no crops in storage. And small sign post that says "cr41g was here". EDIT: Note to self, while driving around in a fast car, try not to keep crashing.
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Post by miura74 on Jul 18, 2017 12:59:50 GMT -6
Thanks for fixing the images JD. Did I do something wrong or is it Google?!
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Post by cr41g on Jul 18, 2017 14:30:21 GMT -6
If you hadn't said it was modelled off of Sosnovka...I never would have guessed.. I think you changed enough to make it unrecognizable as its former self... I can't see why Giants would have a problem with it. Good job on the frame rates....I was watching pretty closely. All in all a map I would be happy to call home...
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Post by JohnDeere318 on Jul 18, 2017 16:19:32 GMT -6
Thanks for fixing the images JD. Did I do something wrong or is it Google?! Nah, it's not Google's fault or yours, I just used the image server I built into to this forum. I just saved the pictures then uploaded them back on with that image server. When you go into full editor, "Reply" at the right top corner of message box, there will be a button that says "Add image to post easily" at the top next to "Add Attachment." Hope this helps you in the future, probably something I should mention to everyone that comes here, it's OK that you didn't know.
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Post by JohnDeere318 on Jul 18, 2017 16:28:20 GMT -6
Watching that video, about half way through it and it's looking great! Frames are not too bad, looks pretty solid. Just in case I miss something from this WIP on YT, you have earned your 176th subscriber.
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Post by miura74 on Jul 19, 2017 0:48:54 GMT -6
Thanks JD. I didn't see that button at the top. Framerate is fairly good, but it could be better. I'll try and do some more re-grouping for objects and check draw distance again. I'm also wondering, are there too many fields? Would it be better with fewer fields? Some of them are big enough for a Big bud though.
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Post by cr41g on Jul 19, 2017 6:04:19 GMT -6
I think you need to allow enough areas for fields...even if they aren't fields from the onset... just grass. People are always going to create what they want anyway...if you left grass people will plow some to fields... if they start as fields some people will grass them... I don't think it really matters... I always make some grass to feed by baling habit. lol
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Post by miura74 on Jul 21, 2017 3:34:08 GMT -6
I'm actually at a crossroads right now, and I'm looking for input or thoughts. There are a few problems with my map and I'm wondering "should I start again?" I've actually learned many things while building it and a "fresh" rebuild might help. To give you an idea... - Filesize is too large I think at 600MB (note Sosnovka from GIANTS is already 529MB)
- There are some issues with the road network, where I have "stretched" the roads to meet. This has caused areas you can drop down in. Despite trying many solutions, it just glitches. So a rebuild would be the only option.
- While importing some assets I got the folders in a mess (like quite a few modders do actually), but I'd like to tidy these up to keep GIANTS happy, if I submitted it.
- Missing some "fun" items, such as water/lake/river or maybe trains.
Not really big issues, except the road, but I might be just crazy for starting again.
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